MyDD :: The New Talking points

The New Talking points

by Politicalslave, Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 11:30:18 PM EST

It seems clear from the latest diaries that Senator Clinton not being picked for the VP will be used by the Republicans to split the party. It's a very effective tactic. I've noticed trolls bashing Senator Clinton to get us fighting each other again and it's starting to work.

The Republicans know how passionate Senator Clinton supporters are so it isn't surprising that the Republicans would use her to divide us. When Senator Obama does announce his VP I hope we will all take a deep breath and not be manipulated by Republican trolls.

Personally I hope he chooses Clinton. The other candidates seem boring in comparison. But that's HIS choice and I'm sure he will have some good reasons for choosing a particular person.
But get ready for the fireworks because whomever is chosen will be attacked. By not choosing Clinton we will be attacking ourselves with lots of help from Republicans. If we thought the Primaries were hot watch out our opponent is desperate and we are only 6 points ahead.

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Re: The New Talking points (none / 0)

I still believe he will choose Clinton.

by Politicalslave on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 11:32:24 PM EST

I agree.... (2.00 / 1)

McCain and the RNC already has a storyline in place for if he does choose her (e.g. he's weak, passive, appeased her, hypocrite, if he cannot stand up to Hillary, how will he stand up to Iran?) and if he doesn't choose her (e.g. asshole, strung her and her supporters along, used her as a potential running mate as a way to get money from her supporters).

Call it a catch-22, no-win situation, damned if you damned if you don't. Personally, I think the second narrative is potentially quite damaging while the first narrative can be dealt with a lot easier.

by Blazers Edge on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 11:34:37 PM EST

Re: I agree.... (none / 0)

Exactly this is going to be a wild 100 days.

by Politicalslave on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 11:38:36 PM EST
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Re: The New Talking points (2.00 / 2)

If he chooses Hillary, the Repugnant trolls will be in here trying to cause division. If he doesn't choose Hillary, the Repugnant trolls will be in here trying to cause division. If he chose Jesus Christ, they would be in here trying to divide us. They will use every single thing they can come up with from now to November in an effort to divide us.

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson

by MS01 Indie on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 11:35:44 PM EST

Re: The New Talking points (none / 0)

Of course but I think they have more to work with
if he doesn't choose Senator Clinton.

by Politicalslave on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 11:37:39 PM EST
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Re: The New Talking points (2.00 / 1)

Nah, in that case they will just act like Obama supporters who hate all things Clinton and get the Clinton supporters all worked up. Both sides still have raw wounds from the primaries. It's really easy to stir up trouble.

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson

by MS01 Indie on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 11:46:00 PM EST
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Re: The New Talking points (none / 0)

Yes that's what I'm afraid of. This may be a situation that never ends. Will we be still talking about this after the election?

by Politicalslave on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 11:49:26 PM EST
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Re: The New Talking points (2.00 / 1)

I hope not. As far as I'm concerned, that's when the real work starts. It will be time to really get active for each important issue. Hopefully, we will see all sorts of issues diaries and calls for letters to our representatives. We've got a war to end, people to bring into the health care system, and dozens of other important issues to deal with. There won't be any time left for petty disagreements. At least, that's my hope.

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson

by MS01 Indie on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 11:52:25 PM EST
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Re: The New Talking points (none / 0)

That's just it I hope we are debating the issues and not what ifs.

by Politicalslave on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 11:55:21 PM EST
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Whatever happens (none / 0)

we'll be discussing what ifs until 2012. Personally I don't have much optimism in our ability to win this election, or any for that matter and I think this place will turn into a four year long "Blame it on Obama supporters" talking points website.

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Wed Jul 30, 2008 at 12:09:07 AM EST
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It is that now (none / 0)

so basically, there will be no change.

"Is there no keeping with class in whom we mingle with anymore?"

by Brandon on Wed Jul 30, 2008 at 12:10:14 AM EST
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No (none / 0)

not unless Obama wins.

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Wed Jul 30, 2008 at 12:17:16 AM EST
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and he MAY pick her (none / 0)

you'll have to grin and bear it...the blackmailers might actually win this fight.

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Wed Jul 30, 2008 at 12:19:01 AM EST
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Re: Whatever happens (none / 0)

It wouldn't surprise me but I hope not. We have too much to accomplish.

by Politicalslave on Wed Jul 30, 2008 at 12:31:05 AM EST
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Pffft (none / 0)

this place stopped being about accomplishing things after Iowa...now it's all about who can get into a nastier fight about candidates and honor and respect.

Eventually, I really need to break the addiction I have with this site. It's become utterly useless and counterproductive. It's outlived it's usefulness. I can't believe I came here expecting it to be different than DKos.

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Wed Jul 30, 2008 at 12:37:23 AM EST
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Re: Pffft (none / 0)

I hope you reconsider because we need your input.

by Politicalslave on Wed Jul 30, 2008 at 12:44:30 AM EST
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You want my input (none / 0)

e-mail me. I'm sick of coming to this site and constantly feeling like we're going to lose this election because of stupidity. I'm sick of feeling like this party is immolating themselves for selfish and ridiculous reasons. How am I going to face my co-workers and new friends here in Italy if McCain wins.

I'm telling you all right now...if we don't win this election, America is finished. The rest of the world is looking at us to make the right decision this time. This is our third chance, this could be our third strike. Many people don't have faith that we can make the right decision this time, while many others are taking a wait and see attitude. This election is the talk of the town here. Our reputation is on the line. For the sake of our country, our pride, our future as an influential world power, please get over the primary wars and go out and work for our party and our nominee.

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Wed Jul 30, 2008 at 12:49:49 AM EST
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Re: You want my input (none / 0)

You want to feel better? Richard Pearl wants to start his own oil company in Iraq. What a surprise Dr. Evil wants to make money from oil while thousands have lost their lives.

by Politicalslave on Wed Jul 30, 2008 at 01:03:38 AM EST
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That makes me feel worse (none / 0)

and still we're sitting here fighting over whether or not Hillary should be on the ticket and whether or not one will vote for Obama if she is...thanks for pointing out just how useless MyDD has become.

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Wed Jul 30, 2008 at 01:05:28 AM EST
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Re: That makes me feel worse (none / 0)

You mentioned you live in Italy. I live in Japan now so this election seems even more intense to me. I think living with Europeans who follow American elections (especially this one) makes it even more intense.
This is such an important time for the world. We can't afford to lose.

by Politicalslave on Wed Jul 30, 2008 at 01:20:24 AM EST
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She is toxic (1.00 / 1)

and the farther she is from the lime light the less damage she will do. Her "people" are driving negative narratives right now about trying to blackmail him into choosing her, and god forbids he choose another woman, which is the most offensive narrative, and I don't think women are that petty.

He will make the right decision. A VP cannot help you, only hurt, and she has enough baggage to sink 4 or 5 campaigns.

"Is there no keeping with class in whom we mingle with anymore?"

by Brandon on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 11:47:01 PM EST

Re: She is toxic (none / 0)

Ha Ha Brandon you are toxic.

by Politicalslave on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 11:50:10 PM EST
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to quote wrestler Chris Jericho, (2.00 / 1)

brandon, would you please shut the hell up? All you do here is troll against the Clintons like some rabid Republican. Its like you wanna incite flames.

by Lakrosse on Wed Jul 30, 2008 at 01:27:12 AM EST
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Agreed..I don't think it will be HRC..but (none / 0)

hopefully he will choose a secular, liberal progressive Democrat...

by louisprandtl on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 11:48:07 PM EST

Re: Agreed..I don't think it will be HRC..but (none / 0)

I find the placement of secular on your list somewhat problematic. What exactly would be the problem with Sen. Obama choosing a running mate who happens to be religious?

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by mistersite on Wed Jul 30, 2008 at 12:38:49 AM EST
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Well Obama himself is religious...why can't a (none / 0)

secular person be a VP?

by louisprandtl on Wed Jul 30, 2008 at 12:41:15 AM EST
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I don't understand (none / 0)

what does "secular" mean? Atheist? Non-religious? We've never had a "secular" candidate in our entire history.

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Wed Jul 30, 2008 at 12:45:00 AM EST
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Here's Merriam Webster definition for you (2.00 / 1)

Main Entry: secular
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French seculer, from Late Latin saecularis, from saeculum the present world, from Latin, generation, age, century, world; akin to Welsh hoedl lifetime
Date: 14th century
1 a: of or relating to the worldly or temporal b: not overtly or specifically religious
c: not ecclesiastical or clerical
2: not bound by monastic vows or rules; specifically : of, relating to, or forming clergy not belonging to a religious order or congregation
3 a: occurring once in an age or a century b: existing or continuing through ages or centuries c: of or relating to a long term of indefinite duration <secular inflation>

Stating that, I was using secular little bit loosely in order to describe a person who does not wear his religion on his sleeve like Bill Bradley.

by louisprandtl on Wed Jul 30, 2008 at 12:51:54 AM EST
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Well (none / 0)

that's pretty much everyone but Republicans.

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Wed Jul 30, 2008 at 12:53:07 AM EST
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There is a difference..Senator Bradley (none / 0)

refused to discuss his religion in public.

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/12/story_ 1230_1.html

by louisprandtl on Wed Jul 30, 2008 at 12:58:00 AM EST
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Re: Here's Merriam Webster definition for you (2.00 / 1)

You are so loose Louisprandtl

by Politicalslave on Wed Jul 30, 2008 at 12:59:36 AM EST
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well if you want to strictly follow the term then (none / 0)

we have to go with somebody like Bernie Sanders or Pete Stark...

by louisprandtl on Wed Jul 30, 2008 at 01:01:30 AM EST
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I still cannot believe that (none / 0)

some Obama folks contributed to the AdNags article that really presents the guy in a pretty bad light. It supports the argument that he's kind of just using her and not being particularly sincere with the things that he's saying about her and the VP position.

Now, AdNags has a beef with Obama's team stemming from the way they reacted to his Obama and white people article, so he may have just wanted to stir the pot. I would advise anyone on Obama's team who cares for Obama's election chances to stop talking to the press about Clinton and her chances at VP; there is nothing they can do about what her people say but they shouldn't be tossing gasoline on the fire by giving anonymous quotes to reporters who are more than willing to promote this narrative.

by Blazers Edge on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 11:50:22 PM EST

Re: The New Talking points (none / 0)

Some polls don't even have us six points ahead.

by RDemocrat on Wed Jul 30, 2008 at 01:57:51 AM EST

..... and the press is now having questions about (none / 0)

him:
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar ticle/2008/07/28/AR2008072802464.html

excerpts:

"Just tell me one thing Barack Obama has done that you admire," I asked a prominent Democrat. He paused and then said that he admired Obama's speech to the Democratic convention in 2004. I agreed. It was a hell of a speech, but it was just a speech.

another:

The next president will have to be something of a political Superman, a man of steel who can tell the American people that they will have to pay more for less -- higher taxes, lower benefits of all kinds -- and deal in an ugly way when nuclear weapons seize the imagination of madmen.

The question I posed to that prominent Democrat was just my way of thinking out loud. I know that Barack Obama is a near-perfect political package. I'm still not sure, though, what's in it.

by suzieg on Wed Jul 30, 2008 at 07:42:57 AM EST
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Re: ..... and the press is now (2.00 / 1)

Name one thing? Sure....

1) He came out against the War in Iraq.

He worked with Dick Lugar to get meaningful legislation passed that would help us track loose nukes.
He worked (and to some degree led) on an effort in the Illinois legislature that required all confessions used as evidence in a capital case (meaning one wherein the death penalty is sought) must be videotaped.
He ran Harvard Law Review in a fair and evenhanded way, treating the minority of conservative members with respect and tolerance.
He's been, as far as I can tell, a good father and husband.

I'd write more but I have to go to work.

Toodles.

by Reaper0Bot0 on Wed Jul 30, 2008 at 08:54:27 AM EST
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Most of us aren't that stupid (2.00 / 1)

If some people choose to be "split" from the Party because of what some Republican trolls say then we are probably better off without their "help".

There is a lot at stake in this election. Anyone who wants to throws a hissy fit over Obama's VP choice is someone who is looking for something to be upset about.

Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius

by Blue Neponset on Wed Jul 30, 2008 at 09:41:06 AM EST

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