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My Final Thoughts of What PUMAs Represent

by vcalzone, Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:40:11 PM EST

Sorry for the post with a lack of depth. Just to put SOME form of content in here... I know it's completely superficial, but how nice is it to actually have a Democratic candidate that can look cool when visiting a military base?

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Excersizing demons is a wonderful thing (1.00 / 1)

but maybe someone will mention this. i can't diary on it due to restraints but

As to Iraq, "We've succeeded. We're not succeeding, we've succeeded," McCain said later at a fundraiser.

ummm, if we've succeded, how does that not equate to victory?

by Dog Chains on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:42:39 PM EST

Re: Excersizing demons is a wonderful thing (none / 0)

Don't pay any mind to McCain. He was inconsistent before, and now he's lost all his talking points. It'll take a few days before his people can come up with a good enough lie.

If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.

by vcalzone on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:48:06 PM EST
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Re: Excersizing demons is a wonderful thing (1.00 / 1)

True that, can I spam your diary with this:

http://www.hillpac.com/action/hhspetitio n/

by Dog Chains on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:49:54 PM EST
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Re: The Lasting Image of PUMAs in my mind (2.00 / 2)

Love the cats. Cat, cats, and more cats. Love the Obama picture too. Thanks.

by Spanky on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:43:39 PM EST

Re: The Lasting Image of PUMAs in my mind (2.00 / 1)

by Beren on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:45:35 PM EST

Someone needs to write a meta diary (2.00 / 3)

Like I said in a few other threads, this site is stuck in 99.

There are free one person blogs out there with better tech.

Personally I think Jerome was full of it when he tried to say upgrades were around the corner, and I dont buy all his fanboy defenders who said "it costs alot of money"

If getting last years blog technology was any bit of a priority and there was any financial issue, wouldnt we expect some kind of FP diary about it?

How about getting some input from us before choosing the upgrade?

Can someone diary this out some time this week?

Aside from no moderation, our Rec and Rate system is nearly worthless and could never sustain more uses than we have today.

by DemsLandslide2008 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:46:27 PM EST

sorry.... (2.00 / 1)

but i am in a pissy mood and noted you uprated purity trolls comments in another diary so....

There are free one person blogs out there with better tech.

then by all means - feel free to leave.

"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum

by canadian gal on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 03:53:39 PM EST
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Re: sorry.... (2.00 / 2)

No, I love the trainwreck.

Its why I came to this site, and its why I stay.

I would LOVE to leave, but I can't I am addicted.

If you want things to change, write Jerome.
Enjoy being ignored by him.

And feel free to add me to the Purity Troll list.

Winning every election this November is my ultimate goal, and I will do what it takes to get there.

I hate every policy and every word GWB ever said, but I have to hand it to him and his party, they know how to unite and win.

We sit here with our little computers, personalities and pride and win elections by luck.

So to quote to war mongering tyrant George W Bush "Your either with us, or against us"

Although a lot of Pumas try to accuse me of that meme, I will admit he said that in the terrorism framing and not political.

But for political, its 100% true for Republicans, until our party unites under the guise to stay true to our agenda and to win at the same time, we will have EXPENSIVE uphill battles for eternity.

by DemsLandslide2008 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:00:57 PM EST
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haha. (2.00 / 2)

"Your either with us, or against us"

quoting bush is never a good thing. but okay go ahead and be a purity troll - just know that you and the PUMA are more alike than the rest of us.

peace.

"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum

by canadian gal on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:08:40 PM EST
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Actually, you're the one sounding like a.... (2.00 / 1)

"purity troll." And "purity" is whatever you alone think it should be.

by Beren on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:13:31 PM EST
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Re: haha. (2.00 / 1)

What's the difference between a purity troll and a person so scared of what 4 years could look like, they think people who don't realize it could get worse are deluded? just wondering. Sorry to interrupt.

by Dog Chains on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:13:41 PM EST
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Re: haha. (2.00 / 1)

DC you said it perfectly.

I will do nothing to risk us losing this year.

So when I cam on this site last Feb/March I was shocked to see the sword swallowing going on here.

How canadian girl seems to have forgoten all of that dumbfounds me.

See this is where it is, ask any Democratic activist and 98% will tell you they thing the DLC agenda was a bad one.

But because Harold Ford was backing Hillary, and Hillary among many others caucused with the now defunct group, any attack on the group or ideology was rejected, whereas I spent the last years viewing the DLC as an antiquated cancer of our party that needed to be taken behind the barn.

Look CG, all I want is a stronger party and a party that gets things done.

When I say "I outright reject all conservative policies", does that make me a purist?

by DemsLandslide2008 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:22:32 PM EST
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sorry.... (2.00 / 1)

you are now taking the discussion into new territory. and yes - its fair for you to say that, however hypocritical since BO has moved to the center and never heard nary a peep from you. and even more so since the hard left has never been successful in the US (not that i agree with it).

two solutions for those puritans (PUMA or purity) - either create 2 parties or shut up and get under the big tent.

"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum

by canadian gal on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:28:15 PM EST
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Re: sorry.... (2.00 / 1)

I didnt take it anywhere, its were I had it.

I dont see Obama bigger than our party, but I do see his victory crucial to us going foward. I am not even sure if we are ready to control almost the whole federal government.

You realize that right? Aside from Kenedy we will run the whole show.

Now onto FISA, I did talk up on that. But because I dont' hate Obama I didn't use it as an exuse to tear him down.

He is a politician, and a member of a party that prides itself on weakness.

Now your gonna get a kick out this, I wanted to donate on the last day of June (you know, its in the news, he raised 25 million in 24 hours) but like many "Purists" I just couldn't do it. I Was devastated by the Fisa catastrophe. I would imagine many other "Purists" felt the same way.

So who was it that donated 17,361.11 every minute (devided 25 million by 1440 minutes)
Because it wasn't the "Hard Left Blogosphere Purists" like me.

Congrats CG, you reignited the primary/ideology wars, and from what I remember you pretty hardcore on one side.

by DemsLandslide2008 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:38:08 PM EST
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hhmm... (none / 0)

there was a lot of extrapolation of my comment that you seem to have twisted to mean something else than was said. but keep truckin and ill be sure to call you and the other fair weather friends out as i see them. at least with PUMA its known and expected.

ciao.

"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum

by canadian gal on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:44:19 PM EST
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no good question. (none / 0)

the latter group you mention are IMO democrats and the former group are people that live and die by obama. fair-weather friends i think they are called.

"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum

by canadian gal on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:22:41 PM EST
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Re: My Final Thoughts of What PUMAs Represent (none / 0)

A tad off topic, but is it me or do Obama and Hagel look good together?

I fully oppose the rumored VP slot for Hagel, but if he were to be put in a cabinet position where he wouldn't be able to steer social/economic policy toward the GOP side of things (i.e. SecDef), I'd have no major problems with it.

No way. No how. No McCain.

by freedom78 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:02:17 PM EST

Re: My Final Thoughts of What PUMAs Represent (none / 0)

Yea, Im not one of those people who buy the whole "crossing the ailse" BS.

I think too many of us are quick to worship any republican who's ONLY difference with GWB is the war.

Well to me that means little other than Bi-P support to end the war.

I dont think we need to hand out political appointments over a single issue that being on the right side makes you human, at the most.

I think there is alot of value in Chuck Hagel, the republican next year.
I think he is best to remain a strong republican voice in the senate and although he agrees on NOTHING else with our party, he might serve as a valuable conduit to the Republican members of congress.

Dont forget folks, there were def some people who though Kerry/McCain ticket was a good idea...... just sayin

by DemsLandslide2008 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:06:40 PM EST
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Except, he's not running for (none / 0)

reelection, so after this year he is out.

"No government has the right to tell its citizens whom to love. The only queer people are those who don't love anybody." - Rita Mae Brown

by auboy2006 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:08:54 PM EST
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a strong republican voice in the senate (2.00 / 1)

This is Hagel's last term. And a strong voice can still be a wrong voice.

by Beren on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:11:19 PM EST
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Re: a strong republican voice in the senate (2.00 / 1)

Exactly, we also need to understand that the GOP's phsychology is very cult like, something we lack :D

That said, if we even dare to allow a Repub on the ticket or the cabinet, we can kiss any respect/fear the GOP might ever develop of us.

Clinton tried the bi-p nonsense and what did Bush do in return?

Not only did he do(R) only, he went after the least educated and most loyal possible (see Monica Goodling), if Bush had a drop of morality he would have made Colin Powel secretary of defense since he did so well for his father. But no, GWB wanted ground troops, something his father and Clinton avoided PERFECTLY.

by DemsLandslide2008 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:17:29 PM EST
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Re: a strong republican voice in the senate (none / 0)

I must admit a certain fondness for William Cohen. He reminds me of George Washington in appearance and demeanor (or what I've read of it). And nothing comes to mind that's he's ever done to infuriate me.

by Beren on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:33:00 PM EST
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Re: a strong republican voice in the senate (2.00 / 1)

You are correct. Democratic shows of bipartisanship are never reciprocated by the GOP. Clinton was one of least partisan presidents in modern history in many respects, yet they tried to impeach him. I just don't see the point in givin them anything right now, assuming we win. We can reach out to decent republicans without putting them on our ticket or in the cabinet.

by Mayor McCheese on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:40:23 PM EST
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Re: a strong republican voice in the senate (none / 0)

Thank you for taking my point even further, and stating far more elequently.

Let me continue by stating that we have a hard enough time getting the right Democrats too.

We got enough Scumbags to clean out of our shop.

I think Obama and the party have gone as far as possible at showing Hagel the respect he deserves.

Im sure smoke is coming out the ears of John McCain when he saw that picture of Hagel and Obama in the helicopter.

by DemsLandslide2008 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:50:07 PM EST
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Re: My Final Thoughts of What PUMAs Represent (none / 0)

I specifically said that I OPPOSE the VP slot for him...I'm just not opposed to him entirely.

No way. No how. No McCain.

by freedom78 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:19:05 PM EST
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Re: My Final Thoughts of What PUMAs Represent (none / 0)

I hear you loud and clear, we are on the same page.

If it is true that Hagel retires, and he is not part of Obama 2009 then I hope he sets out to reaffirm some GOP principles which I wish they still held onto.

Isolationism

Less spending (hopefully cuts to defense and subsidies to oil companies)

I believe we can have a debate between parties, now barely, the "regan revolutionaries" and
evangelicas hijacked the GOP for 2 decades now.

Quick Prediciton: Obama and the DNC CRUSH the Gop this year and hold onto all three branches.

Then in 2012 Obama wins reelection and Dems don't lose a seat in either house. Two conservative judges pass away and Obama nominates the left wing equivalents of the ultra right wing Alito and Roberts.

Then, you will see a republican revolution that drops all the racism, classism, hatred of the poor, war mongering, expansionism etc in favor of say the Libertarian agenda.

That would be beautiful, imagine if we could debate people like Ron Paul, I know he was nuts and full of hot air, but his principles and ideas weren't. I would love to see Libertarians replace Republicans as our adversaries.

by DemsLandslide2008 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:30:28 PM EST
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Re: My Final Thoughts of What PUMAs Represent (none / 0)

It would be interesting, though I think a party based on social conservatism would arise as a strong third party. Not sure what economic principles they'd favor...perhaps they'd go with the times, but all those "religious right" voters would have to go somewhere and they don't mesh well with libertarianism (even if Bob Barr has somehow made it seem like his social views are libertarian).

No way. No how. No McCain.

by freedom78 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:37:20 PM EST
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heheheheh.

Who knows man, this is America!

For all we know evangelicals might evolve (they seem to) and come to the party that falls into "Christian Values" more so than republicans.

Look I outgrew religion along time ago, but having been around a very theistic family and church I must say "Jesus" was a liberal.

Our leaders need to stop being afraid of that.

by DemsLandslide2008 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:46:32 PM EST
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I have no problem with the idea of Christ the liberal. In fact, I've long found the "religious" voting bloc's willful disregard of fundamental Christian issues (cough*POVERTY!*cough) to be strange. But, of course, not all "religious" voters are a part of this bloc, though those that are seem particularly concerned with genitalia, and I don't recall Jesus talking all that much about genitalia.

No way. No how. No McCain.

by freedom78 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:55:12 PM EST
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While at it, I got to share something weird.

On a street near me are two churches. The one all I know is it is where I vote.

From what I hear, my district is (R) voting one, even though we are a blue state.

Anyways across the street there is another church, not sure of the exact demonination, but they have been putting up "leeebral" blaphemy on signs advertising to their church.

Once a sign said "Torture is a MORAL Issue" and now there is a sign connecting god to protecting the environment.

It almost got me to want to walk in there and see what they were about, but then i realized it might be disrespectful being that I am agnostic and only care about politics and people, not religion.

Although I would be willing to morally support that church in my neigborhood and convince those that want to donate to a faith to help them out.

Anyways, wouldn't it be funny if evangelicals changed their tune.

Put politics aside, and what some of their deranged members think, if there not as many members and people putting money in the coffers every Sun/Sat then over issues like poverty, gay rights, and war then maybe,just maybe they will tell the crazies that it's time for them to step aside.

by DemsLandslide2008 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 05:09:40 PM EST
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Well, if you ask me the environment (among other things) IS a moral issue, and should be so whether you're an evangelical or atheist.

No way. No how. No McCain.

by freedom78 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 06:14:56 PM EST
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is it me or do Obama and Hagel look good together (none / 0)

It's you. Hagel is so rabidly conservative that if he was a dog they'd put him down.

by Beren on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 04:07:50 PM EST

Re: My Final Thoughts of What PUMAs Represent (2.00 / 1)

"how nice is it to actually have a Democratic candidate that can look cool when visiting a military base?" Because "looking cool" is such an important requirement when you're Commander-in-Chief.

by ellend818 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 06:44:12 PM EST

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Wow, I hear a farmiliar sound in the distance.

its um, no.

oh yeah its the wambulance, now it has spinning rims, man campaign money goes a long way!

by DemsLandslide2008 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 06:49:41 PM EST
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ah the wise words of a true liberal. (none / 0)

"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum

by canadian gal on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 11:22:52 PM EST
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Re: My Final Thoughts of What PUMAs Represent (none / 0)

Just ask President Dukakis.

Ida B. The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane.-Mark Twain

by Ida B on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:13:37 AM EST
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