The Deal Breaker

It wasn't that long ago that I was leaning toward Sen. Barack Obama. He seemed different from the others and radiated change. It was getting late in 2007 and my preferred candidate for `08 gave me the impression he was not running,  General Wesley Clark. (USA, Ret.) I had been a Clark supporter since  the DraftClark days of 2003, and hoped 2008 would be the year. Then he declared himself a supporter for Hillary Clinton. I thought, Hillary? What's up with that?

Let's just say I was not crazy about her 2002 vote (to say the least) authorizing force in Iraq, Although as with Kerry, I could wrap my head around the fact that she - among many others - had been deceived by the WH to invade Iraq. And I was proud that both of my senators voted nay,  but I had read Pat Lang's seminal "Drinking the Koolaid" and knew that the deception by this administration was far-reaching, complicated and stunning in it's duplicity. She, like many others was duped.

What of the Kyle-Lieberman amendment? How could Wes Clark support her when he and VoteVets had started StopIranWar? After all, Clark had testified and debated Perle in the 2002 HSAC hearing against going to war. I asked questions, did a little research and found out that her vote, as my senators, Levin and Stabenow, was among others who voted yea on Kyl-Lieberman. This didn't make sense. There had to be more to this.
I surmised (to the best of my knowledge) in the end that it was a political tactic by Dems, to prevent war with Iran, and in the end, the amendment was stripped of the use of force. (See pgs 8 and 9) While the Republicans were able to use bellicose language and thump their chests. A fellow Clarkie explained to me she had asked Wes and that he said it was the right vote and it accomplished it's task. I'm fairly positive Clark has no love for Lieberman and the feeling, I'm pretty sure is mutual. And I had no qualms about the IRG being labeled as a terrorist group.
Especially if doing so prevented another war.

However I digress. Whatever leanings I had toward Barack ended with Rezko, when I found out his constituents were freezing and without heat during a brutal Chicago winter. He either turned a blind eye or didn't care enough to fight for them. And a song kept playing in my head. It was from 1967, written and performed by Lou Rawls - the classic "Dead End Street." During the narrative intro before the tune Lou, originally a native Chicagoan describes the Hawk. The icy wind of Chicago which blasts off of Lake Michigan. Partcularly the part about he and his family having no heat during a brutal Chicago winter.
Here is an excerpt.

Dead End Street:
Written by Lou Rawls
-----------------
(Intro)
I was born in a city they call the Windy City
And they call it the Windy City because of the Hawk. All mighty Hawk
Talking about Mr. Wind. Kind of mean around winter time
I happened to live on a street that was a dead-end street
There was nothing to block or buffer the wind, the elements -
(To) Keep them from knocking my pad down, Jim I mean really socking it to me
And the boiler would bust and the heat was gone
I would have to get fully dressed before I could go the bed
Put everything on but my goulashes cause they had buckles on them
And my folks didnt play that. (They)said, 'Don't you be getting up in there with
Buckles on them goulashes and tear up my bed clothes" - but I was fortunate
As soon as I was big enough to get a job, save me enough money to buy me a ticket I split
I got myself together now so Im going back there to see about it see if its still the same
I just wanted to tell you about it, you know its all right..

Sen. Obama's  lack of compassion toward his constituents when they needed him the most was a deal breaker for me. I could no longer support him in the primary and the more I learned about Sen. Clinton, the more I realized she spoke for me.

http://www.mepc.org/journal_vol11/0406_l ang.asp

http://www.votevets.org/index_html

http://www.stopiranwar.com/

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/ky l-lieberman-amendment/?resultpage=1&

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Rawls

http://www.soul-patrol.com/soul/lourawls .htm



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Re: The Deal Breaker (2.00 / 7)

That's my take. What say you?


by durendal on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:29:43 PM EST

Re: The Deal Breaker (2.00 / 5)

Compelling read.  Now put on some music for us.


by susanhu on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:41:02 PM EST
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Re: The Deal Breaker (2.00 / 2)

http://music.aol.com/song/dead-end-stree t/10246778


by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:48:20 PM EST
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Re: The Deal Breaker (none / 0)

Thanks JWH.


by durendal on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:29:23 PM EST
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Re: The Deal Breaker (2.00 / 2)

Ok. From '93 in Montreux, with Etta. I'm the unseen guitarist who does the solo..
"A Lover Is Forever"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid= -669138110379649404&q=etta+james+a+l over+is+forever&total=2&start=0& amp;num=10&so=0&type=search& plindex=0


by durendal on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:03:05 PM EST
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I say... (2.00 / 3)

Right on, Durendal! Oh yes, and no other blogger can do the blues like you can! :-)


No way, no how, no McCain! :-)
by atdleft on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:09:27 PM EST
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Re: I say... (none / 0)

You're too kind, atdleft.


by durendal on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 05:56:46 PM EST
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Re: The Deal Breaker (2.00 / 2)

Whatever leanings I had toward Barack ended with Rezko, when I found out his constituents were freezing and without heat during a brutal Chicago winter. He either turned a blind eye or didn't care enough to fight for them.

This breaks my heart too.  And it makes me very upset that he ignored them.  There were innumerable newspaper and TV stories about the plight of these tenants, and then he says he didn't know about them? And they were in his own district?  That's, at the last, callous.  The worst of it is that he didn't care.


by susanhu on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:12:56 PM EST
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Gen. Clark is a great man (2.00 / 4)

An honest take on an interesting political journey. Rec'd.


Grumpy, reluctant, sore-losing, unhappy, irritable Hillary supporter for Barack Obama 2008
by DemAC on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:33:46 PM EST

It's just more about his unknowns to me. (2.00 / 1)

But I've always loved Lou Rawls.

:)


by JimR on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:36:07 PM EST

Re: The Deal Breaker (2.00 / 4)

than send money to Hillary and call to PA friends to vote for her... Do something to make her victory big!


Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:41:37 PM EST

Re: The Deal Breaker (2.00 / 1)

I think Gen. Clark would be a good VP choice for either of them.


by ineedalife on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:43:08 PM EST

Concern troll (1.00 / 4)

This is a BS diary. Obama is personally to blame because some Chicagoans were freezing in winter? This is the most idiotic logic I've ever seen.

You've never been an Obama supporter. If you were, you wouldn't make such an obviously ludicrous leap that only Susan Hu could appreciate.


by elrod on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:45:21 PM EST

Re: Concern troll (2.00 / 2)

I have no need to lie to you or anyone else.


by durendal on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:05:17 PM EST
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Re: Concern troll (2.00 / 3)

Always with the attacks.  And the assumptions.

I KNOW this man personally.  He did go through that journey.  You have no right -- or rational reason -- to question him.  


by susanhu on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:14:34 PM EST
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Re: The Deal Breaker (none / 0)

You're buying into all the spin and BS talking points.

Look at the guys history.  He passed up a career on Wall Street to work on the streets of Chicago.  He passed up big money to make a difference.

Regardless of anything else, you have got to give credit to him for that.  In today's society, that is almost unthinkable.

It certainly was for Hillary who went straight to corporate law.

Nothing wrong with making a buck, but Obama showed his character as YOUNG man.

There's your authenticity right there.  More authentic than most of us, I bet.


by Trent on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:13:12 PM EST

Re: The Deal Breaker (2.00 / 1)

He was a community organizer before he went to law school. He didnt' know what he wanted to do. He didn't pass anything up. He was a 23 year old guy who didn't want to put on a suit and tie. Then he went to law school and went to work for a real estate firm.

What fantasy is being indulged here?


by Little Otter on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:21:15 PM EST
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Wrong as usual, Little Otter (none / 0)

From wikipedia:

Obama received his Bachelor of Arts in 1983, then worked at Business International Corporation and New York Public Interest Research Group before moving to Chicago to take a job as a community organizer.[25] As Director of the Developing Communities Project, he worked with low-income residents in Chicago's Roseland community and the Altgeld Gardens public housing development.

He entered Harvard Law School in 1988.[27] In 1990, The New York Times reported his election as the Harvard Law Review's "first black president in its 104-year history".[28] He completed his J.D. degree magna cum laude in 1991.[29] On returning to Chicago, Obama directed a voter registration drive.[29] As an associate attorney with Miner, Barnhill & Galland from 1993 to 1996, he represented community organizers, discrimination claims, and voting rights cases.

So he actually graduated, got a good job, left it to be a community organizer, left to go to law school so he could better represent people, graduated and AGAIN passed up high paying jobs to be a civil rights attorney for a law firm (not a real estate law firm).

Again, I'd suggest you go over to www.taylormarsh.com. Anyone who corrects your factually challenged posts over there will get booted, like I did.


by grover738 on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 12:22:53 AM EST
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Re: And now (none / 0)

 what's he showing now?


by artsyker on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 12:08:38 AM EST
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Re: The Deal Breaker (none / 0)

Research baby, she knows exactly what she's talking about.


by chieflytrue on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 03:12:14 AM EST
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Re: The Deal Breaker (none / 0)

I was a Clarkie in '04, too. Still have a soft spot in my heart for Oklahoma, his lone primary victory. Gave money, wrote letters, made calls. I still think he could have given Bush a run.

But I'm kind of dumbfounded that you'd switch from Obama because there were people in his state senate district that went without heat. I can only assume that nobody in NY state has had their heat cut off since January of 2001 when HRC was sworn in as their senator, right?

Can you tell my why it is a State Senator's job to keep the heat on? Can you give me one example of a State Senator anywhere in the country getting someone's heat turned on? Can you give me one example of HRC getting someone's heat turned back on?


by grover738 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:20:45 PM EST

Re: The Deal Breaker (2.00 / 0)

How many state senators work in a real estate law firm and help slum lords put their funding together as Obama did? If Rezko isn't providing heat to the tenants as required by law in these particular units, then the city would have been after Rezko legally. As Obama was representing him in these deals with the city and state, it's literally not believable that he didn't know what was going on - there would have been way too much paperwork for him to not know. That's why Obama won't allow any of his law firm records to be seen - because they'll completely destroy his reputation as a progressive.


by Little Otter on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:26:19 PM EST
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Re: The Deal Breaker (1.00 / 0)

The law firm (which is not "a real estate law firm") he worked for represented a community group that partnered with Rezko. The law firm did not represent Rezko. Obama was not "helping Rezko", "representing him", or "putting his funding together".

Again, neither your or I have any way to know if Obama knew about this or not. Even if he did know, you don't know that he didn't try to remedy it.

Do you think it's possible that there are other legal reasons that Obama's law firm records have not been released? He was an employee of the law firm. The records are theirs, not his.

Is your goal just to spew as much crap as you can and hope that something sticks? I'd recommend posting crap like this at taylormarsh.com. If anyone challenges you there, the admins will just boot them off, like they did to me. If you post there, you'll be able to communicate directly with people who will mindlessly agree with you, not matter how absurd your posts are.

Here's a link for you:

www.taylormarsh.com


by grover738 on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 12:04:27 AM EST
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Re: The Deal Breaker (none / 0)

Truth is only shit in the obama campaign. I'm simply pointing out the obvious - it's literally not believable that he didn't know. if you're worked with low income housing, or been a community organizer (as some people claim to have been), you know how relentless the city is. They would have been after Rezko and the community group and anyone else they could find. The law firm's work would have been part of the record, and they would have known.

This is literally only for the truly gullible to believe he didn't know. It's probably literally impossible that he didn't. Even I don't think he's that clueless.


by Little Otter on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 01:03:02 AM EST
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Re: The Deal Breaker (none / 0)

Are you saying he was not a community organizer? Seriously?

"probably literally impossible" - I love it. Can I use that?

Do you realize how ridiculous your posts are?

Go home -

www.taylormarsh.com


by grover738 on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 01:36:04 AM EST
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Re: The Deal Breaker (none / 0)

What makes you think he wasn't a community organizer? I haven't heard this. I understand that's how he met his racist, sexist mentor Jeremiah Wright. Hopefully, someone will run the "hillary's never been called a n****r" speech on Pennslyvania tv and polish Barry's bid off for good.

But yes, city paperwork on this stuff is staggering. The law firm would absolutely have been contacted, and Barry, having been one of the attorneys, would have been copied. He just didn't care. Couldn't be bothered.


by Little Otter on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 02:53:45 AM EST
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Re: The Deal Breaker (none / 0)

Barry?


by interestedbystander on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 08:53:16 AM EST
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Re: The Deal Breaker (none / 0)

From your post above:

"If you're worked with low income housing, or been a community organizer (as some people claim to have been), you know how relentless the city is"

Why would you put "(as some people claim to have been)"? Isn't that questioning whether or not he was a community organizer?

If you have even a basic understanding of the middle east, or been a first lady (as some people claim to have been), you know how dumb it is to start wars against countries that are not a threat to us.

Get it now?  

Who is Barry? Marion Berry? Barry Bonds? I'm not following.


by grover738 on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 09:20:17 AM EST
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Re: The Deal Breaker (none / 0)

yes, some people claim to have been community organizers. do you have a problem with that statement?


by Little Otter on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 12:09:59 PM EST
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Re: The Deal Breaker (none / 0)

What good is a community organizer who - when push comes to shove - turns his back on his community?
Sorry, it's his business to know what's going on with his constituents. And if I find it pretty damned hard to believe he didn't know.
A legislator should act with their own conscience, then their constituents and then their party. Your conscience should dictate your action for your constituents. In this case a stunning example of neither of the first two.
by durendal on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 06:09:53 PM EST
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Re: The Deal Breaker (2.00 / 0)

So you're saying he didn't know? Or that he has no responsibilty orobligation to his constituents? I always thought it was part of the job description.


by durendal on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:38:01 PM EST
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Re: The Deal Breaker (none / 0)

I have no way of knowing if he knew or not, nor do you. Does he as a state senator, have responsibility to keep everyone's heat on in his district? I'd say no, but I'll have to check the Illinois State Senator job description.

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  Re: The Deal Breaker (none / 0)

I was a Clarkie in '04, too. Still have a soft spot in my heart for Oklahoma, his lone primary victory. Gave money, wrote letters, made calls. I still think he could have given Bush a run.

But I'm kind of dumbfounded that you'd switch from Obama because there were people in his state senate district that went without heat. I can only assume that nobody in NY state has had their heat cut off since January of 2001 when HRC was sworn in as their senator, right?

Can you tell my why it is a State Senator's job to keep the heat on?

Can you give me one example of a State Senator anywhere in the country getting someone's heat turned on?

Can you give me one example of HRC getting someone's heat turned back on?


by grover738 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:47:59 PM EST
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Re: The Deal Breaker (none / 0)

Oops, meant to post this:

I have no way of knowing if he knew or not, nor do you. Does he as a state senator, have responsibility to keep everyone's heat on in his district? I'd say no, but I'll have to check the Illinois State Senator job description.

Can you tell my why it is a State Senator's job to keep the heat on?

Can you give me one example of a State Senator anywhere in the country getting someone's heat turned on?

Can you give me one example of HRC getting someone's heat turned back on?


by grover738 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:49:08 PM EST
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Re: The Deal Breaker (none / 0)

So legislators are not responsible for the welfare of their constituents? He cared enough to get their votes - perhaps that was enough.
These are poor people, whose voices are seldom heard.

Prayer of St.Francis

Lord, make me an instrument of your peace,
Where there is hatred, let me sow love;
where there is injury, pardon;
where there is doubt, faith;
where there is despair, hope;
where there is darkness, light;
where there is sadness, joy;
O Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console;
to be understood as to understand;
to be loved as to love.

For it is in giving that we receive;
it is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.


by durendal on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 06:22:24 PM EST
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Re: The Deal Breaker (none / 0)

There are 59 state senators in IL. Eighteen in Chicaho alone. Please think about what you wrote - as opposed to two US Senators per state.


by durendal on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 02:22:31 PM EST
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Re: The Deal Breaker (none / 0)

Little ole me assisted in having a single mom's heat turned on. She was sick and so were her kids. I received a phone call from her and walked her through on what to do. It was a cold Feb. here in Detroit.
A local news station put a reporter and a camera on her situation - the slumlord came up with heat - all of a sudden - and then he had to explain in court to a judge why he was derelict. All you have to do is care.
She called to thank me and sounded like a completely different person since she was no longer coughing. I am grateful to have been of assistance.
by durendal on Thu May 15, 2008 at 10:02:48 PM EST
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Re: The Deal Breaker (none / 0)

 Actually if you go to hillaryclinton.com and looka watch the videos of "the HIllary I know" I think you might find somethings there very interesting.

namaste.


by artsyker on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 12:10:10 AM EST
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Re: The Deal Breaker (none / 0)

I'll happily support HRC in the general if she gets the democratic nomination. I'm a progressive first, democrat second, and Obama supporter third.


by grover738 on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 12:17:51 AM EST
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Re: The Deal Breaker (none / 0)

When exactly were you considering supporting Obama; I don't see a positive word about him in anything you've written.


by mady on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 12:41:27 AM EST

Re: The Deal Breaker (none / 0)

I've said this before about Sen Obama.
He is smart.
He is accomplished.
Many of his ideas I like. Alot.
I do not mock hope.
I do not mock change.
And for what it's worth, he has the most telegenic family since JFK, IMO.
He appears to be a quick study and is qualified to be POTUS and should he be nominated, I will vote for him in November.
I respect the conclusions you have arrived at.
However, Hillary Clinton is whom I believe addresses the qualities I look most - for the office of the presidency.

by durendal on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 06:38:44 PM EST
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Re: The Deal Breaker (none / 0)

Love your journey, thanks for sharing.  I'll come back and listen to the tunes later.

Peace.


by chieflytrue on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 03:13:08 AM EST

The Deal Breaker (2.00 / 1)


I like your background on Kyl-Liebermaa.

I remember at the time signing a petition progressive Dems were circulating to send to Senate demanding the military language be removed.  (I wish I had save a copy of those specific paragraphs.)  Anyway then I got a congratulations letter saying the petition worked. That language was removed.


by moevaughn on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 09:18:29 AM EST

Re: The Deal Breaker (none / 0)

Hey MoeVaughan, here it is.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/ky l-lieberman-amendment/?resultpage=8&

And then go to page 9.


by durendal on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 05:51:38 PM EST


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